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	<title>Comments on: Denny Way Gridlock Watch</title>
	<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/</link>
	<description>Smart Growth defined: Making the car an option, not a necessity.*</description>
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		<title>by: Steve</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-8728</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-8728</guid>
					<description>I'm all for planning for fewer cars, but I think parking maximums are a little dangerous politically -- there's already a &quot;libertarian&quot; faction that believes planning is a socialist plot to eliminate the freedom of driving, and parking maximums give that group ammunition in a way that reducing parking requirements does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for planning for fewer cars, but I think parking maximums are a little dangerous politically &#8212; there&#8217;s already a &#8220;libertarian&#8221; faction that believes planning is a socialist plot to eliminate the freedom of driving, and parking maximums give that group ammunition in a way that reducing parking requirements does not.
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		<title>by: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-8612</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-8612</guid>
					<description>I agree.  Don't forget advantage #4: Any time you have less than one parking spot per unit, parking spots and units will be priced seperately (as opposed to included with unit).  If I have to pay an extra $100/month for parking, I'd consider getting rid of my car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Don&#8217;t forget advantage #4: Any time you have less than one parking spot per unit, parking spots and units will be priced seperately (as opposed to included with unit).  If I have to pay an extra $100/month for parking, I&#8217;d consider getting rid of my car.
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		<title>by: Tony</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-8584</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-8584</guid>
					<description>The developments along Denny and other downtown condo / apartment projects are a perfect opportunity for the city to implement some parking MAXIMUMs. Given the proximity to downtown and its attendant transit options, if anyone anywhere is going to go car free in Seattle, it would be here. I'm not saying no parking (ah if only), but something like a standard TOD ratio no more than 0.75 parking spaces per unit would do.

This has three advantages:

1.) It reduces total auto use, easing congestion.

2.) It allows people who already want to go car free to self select into these prime locations rather than having to compete for the spots with (wealthier) car owners.

3.) Its cheaper to build (underground parking cost ~$30,000 per space) AND because you limit the market, the policy also reduces demand. Lower construction cost + lower demand = lower market price = affordable to mere mortals.

I know its unorthodox, but it has been done elsewhere and it has worked very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The developments along Denny and other downtown condo / apartment projects are a perfect opportunity for the city to implement some parking MAXIMUMs. Given the proximity to downtown and its attendant transit options, if anyone anywhere is going to go car free in Seattle, it would be here. I&#8217;m not saying no parking (ah if only), but something like a standard TOD ratio no more than 0.75 parking spaces per unit would do.</p>
<p>This has three advantages:</p>
<p>1.) It reduces total auto use, easing congestion.</p>
<p>2.) It allows people who already want to go car free to self select into these prime locations rather than having to compete for the spots with (wealthier) car owners.</p>
<p>3.) Its cheaper to build (underground parking cost ~$30,000 per space) AND because you limit the market, the policy also reduces demand. Lower construction cost + lower demand = lower market price = affordable to mere mortals.</p>
<p>I know its unorthodox, but it has been done elsewhere and it has worked very well.
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		<title>by: PC Security</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-3294</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-3294</guid>
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		<title>by: Bring On The Life Care For Successful Aging &#124; hugeasscity</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-2278</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-2278</guid>
					<description>[...] Like Skyline, Mirabella will offer &amp;#8220;life care.&amp;#8221; And not to be outdone, the 400-unit project includes all the amenities Skyline has, plus a wine tasting room. Its marketability as walkable is a bit of a stretch &amp;#8212; neither SLU, nor the Denny Triangle neighborhood across Denny Way are especially compelling to explore on foot, though both can be expected to improve over time. I wish them the best of luck crossing Denny. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Like Skyline, Mirabella will offer &#8220;life care.&#8221; And not to be outdone, the 400-unit project includes all the amenities Skyline has, plus a wine tasting room. Its marketability as walkable is a bit of a stretch &#8212; neither SLU, nor the Denny Triangle neighborhood across Denny Way are especially compelling to explore on foot, though both can be expected to improve over time. I wish them the best of luck crossing Denny. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Density Plague Infests Bellevue &#124; hugeasscity</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-892</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-892</guid>
					<description>[...] For your analytical indulgence, some Bellevue data to contemplate in perspective with the number of new housing units in the Denny Way corridor noted here (2680), and the number of new apartment units in downtown Seattle noted here (3217): [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] For your analytical indulgence, some Bellevue data to contemplate in perspective with the number of new housing units in the Denny Way corridor noted here (2680), and the number of new apartment units in downtown Seattle noted here (3217): [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Apartments Are the New Condos &#124; hugeasscity</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-795</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-795</guid>
					<description>[...] As with the Denny Way projects, I can&amp;#8217;t resist doing the math: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] As with the Denny Way projects, I can&#8217;t resist doing the math: [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: BK</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-774</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-774</guid>
					<description>Of course I agree density is great news, but dense with whom? I'd like to see the average income of all those moving into those 2,680 units. Who is moving downtown? Are they choosing Denny Way over Woodinville? Yes, yes, I know this is a post about roads and congestion, but just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I agree density is great news, but dense with whom? I&#8217;d like to see the average income of all those moving into those 2,680 units. Who is moving downtown? Are they choosing Denny Way over Woodinville? Yes, yes, I know this is a post about roads and congestion, but just wondering.
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		<title>by: Cascadian</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-716</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-716</guid>
					<description>The solution is clearly to build more grade-separated transit, even if it means making congestion even worse. Eventually Seattle will need a west light rail line to Ballard and West Seattle and probably another line north/south along 99. So some kind of east-west circulator is a good idea. Maybe construct an elevated rail line along Denny/Olive/John, then up 12th, and looping back along Mercer. It could have a stop on Broadway near the light rail station there for people heading north or south out of the city, and presumably it could integrate with stops for the other north/south rail linjes. Of if that's too local of a line, keep the Denny/Olive/John part of the line but extend it to 23rd, and then loop back along 45th/46th/Market. That could eventually integrate with a future 520 line.

This is all going to cost a pretty penny, and we have to be willing to pay for it. Otherwise, our only alternative is learn to live with total gridlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution is clearly to build more grade-separated transit, even if it means making congestion even worse. Eventually Seattle will need a west light rail line to Ballard and West Seattle and probably another line north/south along 99. So some kind of east-west circulator is a good idea. Maybe construct an elevated rail line along Denny/Olive/John, then up 12th, and looping back along Mercer. It could have a stop on Broadway near the light rail station there for people heading north or south out of the city, and presumably it could integrate with stops for the other north/south rail linjes. Of if that&#8217;s too local of a line, keep the Denny/Olive/John part of the line but extend it to 23rd, and then loop back along 45th/46th/Market. That could eventually integrate with a future 520 line.</p>
<p>This is all going to cost a pretty penny, and we have to be willing to pay for it. Otherwise, our only alternative is learn to live with total gridlock.
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		<title>by: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-709</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/02/26/denny-way-gridlock-watch/#comment-709</guid>
					<description>Don't forget Queen Anne.  On the top they're building dozens of new developments, and they've finished quite a few on the bottom.  Currently there are two ways off the hill: 99 (the on-ramp is at around a 20 minute wait during rush hour), or hopping over to 5.  Queen Anne Avenue is already backed up near rush hour, but relating to the Denny issue - that's were many of these cars go.  

Without grade-seperated transit, that entire region of Seattle will turn into gridlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Queen Anne.  On the top they&#8217;re building dozens of new developments, and they&#8217;ve finished quite a few on the bottom.  Currently there are two ways off the hill: 99 (the on-ramp is at around a 20 minute wait during rush hour), or hopping over to 5.  Queen Anne Avenue is already backed up near rush hour, but relating to the Denny issue - that&#8217;s were many of these cars go.  </p>
<p>Without grade-seperated transit, that entire region of Seattle will turn into gridlock.
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