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	<title>Comments on: The Eco-Fascist Liberals Are Coming To Take Your Cars Away!</title>
	<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/</link>
	<description>Smart Growth defined: Making the car an option, not a necessity.*</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1548</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>//Proximity to pricey commercial real estate is a bigger factor. //  

A bigger factor than what?  If it costs 100 million dollars to build a condo out of gold bricks, and someone buys that condo, then someone wanted to buy that condo at that price.  There is no &quot;bigger factor&quot;, and there is no more basic economic concept than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Proximity to pricey commercial real estate is a bigger factor. //  </p>
<p>A bigger factor than what?  If it costs 100 million dollars to build a condo out of gold bricks, and someone buys that condo, then someone wanted to buy that condo at that price.  There is no &#8220;bigger factor&#8221;, and there is no more basic economic concept than this.
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		<title>by: jon</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1547</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>How many different scenarios can you come up with for an American adult that illustrates why he/she does not live within walking distance to their work?  Do you honestly think it's an exclusive choice between spending time with their family, vs. sitting on I-90?  

As you can imagine from my name, I live near downtown.  And I work....downtown.  That selling point was big for our decision.  I drive into work maybe once a week on average.  (not game for paying $20 to park).  But it wasn't the only thing we considered.  

I would barely agree with you that the reason downtown is more expensive is because more people want it.  A demographic of the area's people want to live downtown more than the burbs, is what I would say.  Proximity to pricey commercial real estate is a bigger factor.  

I am &quot;free market&quot;; I think we (those who would use roads), are not paying enough.  Therefore the roads are subsidized to the detriment of other solutions.  You have to have roads, but put the cost on those who would use them more.  So, general fund taxes, plus tolls.  

Please don't paint those that have to drive home for more than a half hour as mindless drones who are beholden to car commercials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many different scenarios can you come up with for an American adult that illustrates why he/she does not live within walking distance to their work?  Do you honestly think it&#8217;s an exclusive choice between spending time with their family, vs. sitting on I-90?  </p>
<p>As you can imagine from my name, I live near downtown.  And I work&#8230;.downtown.  That selling point was big for our decision.  I drive into work maybe once a week on average.  (not game for paying $20 to park).  But it wasn&#8217;t the only thing we considered.  </p>
<p>I would barely agree with you that the reason downtown is more expensive is because more people want it.  A demographic of the area&#8217;s people want to live downtown more than the burbs, is what I would say.  Proximity to pricey commercial real estate is a bigger factor.  </p>
<p>I am &#8220;free market&#8221;; I think we (those who would use roads), are not paying enough.  Therefore the roads are subsidized to the detriment of other solutions.  You have to have roads, but put the cost on those who would use them more.  So, general fund taxes, plus tolls.  </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t paint those that have to drive home for more than a half hour as mindless drones who are beholden to car commercials.
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		<title>by: Dan Staley</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1545</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;we of the group think are smarter than you. &lt;/i&gt;

No. 

I'm saying your group-think has no cogency and no access with decision-makers, and your narrow fear-based narrative never changes. 

The standard narrative signals long ago-countered and refuted ideological argumentation that has no play where decisions are made. 

There is no threat of a socialist tree-hugging green nazi coming to take your car away or to send us back to cave-man times - asked and answered years ago, but here it is again, whack-a-mole. 

The threat, rather, is to the ideology: it's not able to solve problems in an increasingly complex society, so the reaction from the mole adherents is the title of this post and the predictable comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>we of the group think are smarter than you. </i></p>
<p>No. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying your group-think has no cogency and no access with decision-makers, and your narrow fear-based narrative never changes. </p>
<p>The standard narrative signals long ago-countered and refuted ideological argumentation that has no play where decisions are made. </p>
<p>There is no threat of a socialist tree-hugging green nazi coming to take your car away or to send us back to cave-man times - asked and answered years ago, but here it is again, whack-a-mole. </p>
<p>The threat, rather, is to the ideology: it&#8217;s not able to solve problems in an increasingly complex society, so the reaction from the mole adherents is the title of this post and the predictable comments.
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		<title>by: Hal O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1543</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>...let alone, has Rossi never heard of supply and demand?  The reason downtown is more expensive than the suburbs is because more people want it.  And a good chunk of that demand is because most people pay nothing more than lip service to liking their cars.

You gotta love &quot;free market&quot; Republicans who hate the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;let alone, has Rossi never heard of supply and demand?  The reason downtown is more expensive than the suburbs is because more people want it.  And a good chunk of that demand is because most people pay nothing more than lip service to liking their cars.</p>
<p>You gotta love &#8220;free market&#8221; Republicans who hate the market.
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		<title>by: Hal O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1542</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, if people moved to where they could walk to work in 10 minutes each way, rather than spend 45 minutes each way commuting in their car, they might have to spend as much as 6 extra hours a week with their families.  And what kind of traditional family value is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, if people moved to where they could walk to work in 10 minutes each way, rather than spend 45 minutes each way commuting in their car, they might have to spend as much as 6 extra hours a week with their families.  And what kind of traditional family value is that?
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		<title>by: NBeacon Jon</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1541</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>John I think you meant Hol(one 'l') Cow, and I couldn't agree more.  Dan's first post boils down to; we of the group think are smarter than you.  Oh, but you should still vote liberal, because we know better.  

Hugeass, you invite this discourse with posts like this, instead of keeping to your smart views on design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John I think you meant Hol(one &#8216;l&#8217;) Cow, and I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  Dan&#8217;s first post boils down to; we of the group think are smarter than you.  Oh, but you should still vote liberal, because we know better.  </p>
<p>Hugeass, you invite this discourse with posts like this, instead of keeping to your smart views on design.
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		<title>by: Dan Staley</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1534</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>John,

do you drive the clown car, or are you just a passenger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>do you drive the clown car, or are you just a passenger?
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		<title>by: john of humdinger</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1532</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>HollyCow!

Now that's what we call LOOPY...
suggesting that Socialism can progress with a few months  off from one small tax.

TAXATION FOREVER!
ALL INCOME TO BIG BROTHER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HollyCow!</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s what we call LOOPY&#8230;<br />
suggesting that Socialism can progress with a few months  off from one small tax.</p>
<p>TAXATION FOREVER!<br />
ALL INCOME TO BIG BROTHER!
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		<title>by: Dan Staley</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/04/16/the-eco-fascist-liberals-are-coming-to-take-your-cars-away/#comment-1519</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Force! Be afraid! The freedom haters cometh!&lt;/i&gt;

All they have is fear phrases and knee-jerk ideological replies. They are easily countered in public, and the decision-makers respond to them only in that they acknowledge them for their constituencies - no one believes them except the chronically undereducated and underread. Never fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Force! Be afraid! The freedom haters cometh!</i></p>
<p>All they have is fear phrases and knee-jerk ideological replies. They are easily countered in public, and the decision-makers respond to them only in that they acknowledge them for their constituencies - no one believes them except the chronically undereducated and underread. Never fear.
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