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	<title>Comments on: Windowless Concrete Penthouse</title>
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		<title>by: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/07/05/windowless-concrete-penthouse/#comment-5422</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It would certainly be nice from a sound perspective to have a floor between the top office floor and the mechanical space, but I haven't seen it done.  If it was required for noise reasons, you wouldn't need more than a foot of space unless you have some use for that extra floor (storage? computers? government employees?).  Generally, we deal with noise and vibration by spring-isolating equipment and by adding concrete pads.  Plus we try to put boilers, chillers, and pumps down at ground level for ease of replacement and to reduce structural loads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would certainly be nice from a sound perspective to have a floor between the top office floor and the mechanical space, but I haven&#8217;t seen it done.  If it was required for noise reasons, you wouldn&#8217;t need more than a foot of space unless you have some use for that extra floor (storage? computers? government employees?).  Generally, we deal with noise and vibration by spring-isolating equipment and by adding concrete pads.  Plus we try to put boilers, chillers, and pumps down at ground level for ease of replacement and to reduce structural loads.
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		<title>by: John Adams</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/07/05/windowless-concrete-penthouse/#comment-5335</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Matt, is standard procedure to place a blank floor between the top usable office floor and the mechanical equiptment?  

And would it be normal to have a cooling tower directly on the concrete slab which also acts as the cieling for the office space on the floor below? or is this a no-no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, is standard procedure to place a blank floor between the top usable office floor and the mechanical equiptment?  </p>
<p>And would it be normal to have a cooling tower directly on the concrete slab which also acts as the cieling for the office space on the floor below? or is this a no-no?
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		<title>by: Alex Porter</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/07/05/windowless-concrete-penthouse/#comment-4042</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My boyfriend works in the building and has toured the facilities and the roof.  The top floor of office is the 27th floor.  The 28th floor is storage with no windows and the rest above that is mechanical.  The roof is flat with no raised facade or fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My boyfriend works in the building and has toured the facilities and the roof.  The top floor of office is the 27th floor.  The 28th floor is storage with no windows and the rest above that is mechanical.  The roof is flat with no raised facade or fence.
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		<title>by: Sabina Pade</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/07/05/windowless-concrete-penthouse/#comment-4001</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Agreed that the Seattle Tower is a beauty.  Three cheers for it - and for all the other Art-Deco piles remaining in downtown.  Wish there were more of them!

Oddly, perhaps, I feel considerable fondness for the Financial Center Building as well.  Brutalism, as an architectural style, we may gratefully consider dead; and yet I find that some of its offspring have held up remarkably.  

We can't accuse the Financial Center Building of abusing the pedestrian's eye, for it doesn't - indeed, of all downtown's bank towers, it has perhaps the most directly accessible, most transparent sidewalk interface, with office space, rather than lobby or elevator core, in the foreground.  Too, there's a pleasingly decorative little garden.  The Financial Center's concrete facade has weathered gracefully like cut stone, its stucture is rational and lisible, its proportions are harmonious; the Classical principle of base, shaft and capital is observed.  And I like its deeply recessed, only mildly reflective windows, that allow me to see in while suggesting that the people and transactions inside are nonethess securely protected.

Dryly utilitarian?  Could be.  If we've a demolition wish list for downtown though, I wouldn't nominate the Financial Center Building for inclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that the Seattle Tower is a beauty.  Three cheers for it - and for all the other Art-Deco piles remaining in downtown.  Wish there were more of them!</p>
<p>Oddly, perhaps, I feel considerable fondness for the Financial Center Building as well.  Brutalism, as an architectural style, we may gratefully consider dead; and yet I find that some of its offspring have held up remarkably.  </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t accuse the Financial Center Building of abusing the pedestrian&#8217;s eye, for it doesn&#8217;t - indeed, of all downtown&#8217;s bank towers, it has perhaps the most directly accessible, most transparent sidewalk interface, with office space, rather than lobby or elevator core, in the foreground.  Too, there&#8217;s a pleasingly decorative little garden.  The Financial Center&#8217;s concrete facade has weathered gracefully like cut stone, its stucture is rational and lisible, its proportions are harmonious; the Classical principle of base, shaft and capital is observed.  And I like its deeply recessed, only mildly reflective windows, that allow me to see in while suggesting that the people and transactions inside are nonethess securely protected.</p>
<p>Dryly utilitarian?  Could be.  If we&#8217;ve a demolition wish list for downtown though, I wouldn&#8217;t nominate the Financial Center Building for inclusion.
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		<title>by: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/07/05/windowless-concrete-penthouse/#comment-3867</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/07/05/windowless-concrete-penthouse/#comment-3867</guid>
					<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp;#38;FORM=LMLTCC&amp;#38;cp=ry1bfh4t4wqd&amp;#38;style=b&amp;#38;lvl=2&amp;#38;tilt=-90&amp;#38;dir=0&amp;#38;alt=-1000&amp;#38;scene=3702447&amp;#38;phx=0&amp;#38;phy=0&amp;#38;phscl=1&amp;#38;encType=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;above&lt;/a&gt;,
I see a huge amount of intake and relief air openings, and a small area that likely houses cooling towers.  As someone that designs mechanical penthouses, I'd be happy if an architect gave me something 1/4 this size.  

Take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp;#38;FORM=LMLTCC&amp;#38;cp=ry1f434t52t4&amp;#38;style=b&amp;#38;lvl=2&amp;#38;tilt=-90&amp;#38;dir=0&amp;#38;alt=-1000&amp;#38;scene=3702443&amp;#38;phx=0&amp;#38;phy=0&amp;#38;phscl=1&amp;#38;encType=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; slightly less ugly concrete box a few blocks away.  That's the size penthouse they normally give us for this size building (ok, this one looks unrealistically small - I'm guessing part of the top floor is penthouse, and the boiler and chiller are in the basement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp;FORM=LMLTCC&amp;cp=ry1bfh4t4wqd&amp;style=b&amp;lvl=2&amp;tilt=-90&amp;dir=0&amp;alt=-1000&amp;scene=3702447&amp;phx=0&amp;phy=0&amp;phscl=1&amp;encType=1" rel="nofollow">above</a>,<br />
I see a huge amount of intake and relief air openings, and a small area that likely houses cooling towers.  As someone that designs mechanical penthouses, I&#8217;d be happy if an architect gave me something 1/4 this size.  </p>
<p>Take a look at <a href="http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp;FORM=LMLTCC&amp;cp=ry1f434t52t4&amp;style=b&amp;lvl=2&amp;tilt=-90&amp;dir=0&amp;alt=-1000&amp;scene=3702443&amp;phx=0&amp;phy=0&amp;phscl=1&amp;encType=1" rel="nofollow">this</a> slightly less ugly concrete box a few blocks away.  That&#8217;s the size penthouse they normally give us for this size building (ok, this one looks unrealistically small - I&#8217;m guessing part of the top floor is penthouse, and the boiler and chiller are in the basement).
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		<title>by: joshuadf</title>
		<link>http://noisetank.com/hugeasscity/2008/07/05/windowless-concrete-penthouse/#comment-3800</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>While personally I do not prefer the brutalist look, there are certainly have been those with lots of money and don't want to be reminded they are 50 stories up (Howard Hughes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While personally I do not prefer the brutalist look, there are certainly have been those with lots of money and don&#8217;t want to be reminded they are 50 stories up (Howard Hughes).
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